tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1822452633282744192.post6502244247450763318..comments2024-03-25T12:21:56.752-05:00Comments on Sweethearts Of The West: Hubris Plus Inexperience Equals Fatal IronyCaroline Clemmonshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14914658854159456335noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1822452633282744192.post-6237269586272436382013-12-14T13:22:42.538-06:002013-12-14T13:22:42.538-06:00I so agree with that, Tanya. Dee Brown's class...I so agree with that, Tanya. Dee Brown's classic has a place of honor on my keeper shelf. For a country ostensibly founded by people seeking religious freedom, it never ceases to amaze me that Americans can be so closed-minded about ... religious freedom. Religion brings out both the best and the worst in people, I suppose.<br /><br />Celia, the atrocities were pretty blatant on both sides during the Indian confrontations all across the West. Many of the native peoples in the Southwest (Apaches, in particular) learned scalping from white Americans and Mexicans, for example. As retaliation became a way of life, each side always seemed to try to outdo the other in brutality. What a horrible period in our history.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05740371055384281988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1822452633282744192.post-10133411316361656992013-12-13T12:07:36.191-06:002013-12-13T12:07:36.191-06:00Fascinating info, Kathleen. Oh and I love Peaches,...Fascinating info, Kathleen. Oh and I love Peaches, too LOL. on a serious note, the savages-aren't-entirely-human attitude stems all the way back to the first explorers. Christopher Columbus thought the peoples would be easy to convert to Christianity with their beliefs in a great spirit...but because they didn't, they weren't considered equals, ever. So sad. Reading Burying My Heart at Wounded Knee should be required of every American.Tanya Hansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08580821680629254085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1822452633282744192.post-48181475067455455432013-12-12T19:16:40.186-06:002013-12-12T19:16:40.186-06:00Well, that's hubris for you.
Another great sto...Well, that's hubris for you.<br />Another great story, Kathleen straight from the annals of history.<br />I read your article, then read all the comments. Those were interesting, too.<br />Wow, what Native Americans could do to white men when killing them. I suppose the whites did the same to some extent, but I'm not sure how much. <br />Disobeying orders will get you in trouble every time.<br />Good piece, and as usual, very well done.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16272417114895975742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1822452633282744192.post-34938617985057624842013-12-12T14:30:42.468-06:002013-12-12T14:30:42.468-06:00Another BTW: "atrocities visited upon the dea...Another BTW: "atrocities visited upon the dead soldiers by less-than-human savages" in my comment above should have been enclosed in quotation marks. That phrase represents the prevailing attitude at the time, not my personal opinion. (I admit the Indians were a mite brutal, but I'd never refer to them as "less-than-human savages.")Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05740371055384281988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1822452633282744192.post-37974228249314145612013-12-12T14:24:47.478-06:002013-12-12T14:24:47.478-06:00If I come across information on Mrs. Carrington, I...If I come across information on Mrs. Carrington, I'll pass it along now that I know you're looking. I can't promise anything, but you never know the Fort Phil Kearny gift shop is going to carry, or what someone will donate to the Museum.<br /><br />Aw shucks, Tex, you're such a thorough investigator I don't think you ever have to worry about jiving with anyone's research. But thanks! :)Kirsten Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05720732595156726142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1822452633282744192.post-5749529021572736882013-12-12T10:53:25.391-06:002013-12-12T10:53:25.391-06:00It's just sad, isn't it, Rustler? Ego can ...It's just sad, isn't it, Rustler? Ego can lead to such waste.<br /><br />I'm trying to dig up more about Carrington's wife. She was an author, and she spent the rest of her life trying to clear her husband's name. Though the army cleared him of any wrongdoing in the debacle, public opinion turned against him and stayed that way, largely due to sensationalistic newspaper reports about the atrocities visited upon the dead soldiers by less-than-human savages. Libby Custer was FAR more successful in vindicating her husband than Mrs. Carrington was at vindicating hers.<br /><br />(BTW: It took me FOREVER to click "publish" on this post. I kept thinking, "Oh, Lord. What if my research doesn't jive with Rustler's? She's an honest-to-goodness historian from Wyoming. And she's armed." :-D )Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05740371055384281988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1822452633282744192.post-18875848128081913782013-12-12T10:31:40.131-06:002013-12-12T10:31:40.131-06:00Great article, Tex! The marker of the ill-fated Fe...Great article, Tex! The marker of the ill-fated Fetterman massacre is just up the road. We had quite the crew of arrogant officers pass through this territory in the 19th Century. <br /><br />It always amazes me how superior these men felt. I don't know if it was because they were coming off a win and had the opinion if they could whip the South they could whip the Indians. But you would have thought they would have learned how difficult it is to defeat a people determined to hold tight and protect what's theirs. <br /><br />But from Fort Phil Kearny to the Connor Battlefield it's a trail of hubris leading to blood culminating in the epitome of pride and ear wax build-up (so he couldn't hear the warnings) Custer.<br /><br />It's an interesting and sad trail to follow out here. My dad and I did so a few years ago, and both of us commented how the story reads the same on every monument and roadside sign. Army officer (insert any name) claims he can wipe out the Indians with the sweep of his sword...leads men to battle...gets wiped out. We felt sorry for many on the men having to follow such pompous asses. (I'm sure many agreed with them, but many did not).<br /><br />Sorry, my fingers got to typing and wouldn't stop. <br /><br />--Kirsten <br /><br /> Kirsten Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05720732595156726142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1822452633282744192.post-84261478214285304132013-12-12T08:10:32.871-06:002013-12-12T08:10:32.871-06:00Thanks, Trail Boss! The Indian Wars produced some ...Thanks, Trail Boss! The Indian Wars produced some interesting characters. Much of the historical record indicates Fetterman showed a lot of promise as a military leader, but arrogance, brashness, and insubordination got in his way more often than not. Evidently, his success during the Civil War went straight to his head and never left. The Cheyenne account is fascinating and quite detailed.<br /><br />Red Cloud's War, of which the Fetterman battle was a part, eventually went to the Indians. After burning three forts, including Fort Phil Kearny, the Sioux and Cheyenne signed a treaty giving them the Powder River area. Peace (mostly) reigned for about eight years ... and then someone had to go and discover gold in the Black Hills. The U.S. government reneged on the treaty, and the whole mess started all over again.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05740371055384281988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1822452633282744192.post-35412449315183531882013-12-12T04:13:02.897-06:002013-12-12T04:13:02.897-06:00Interesting bio on Fetterman, and I enjoyed the li...Interesting bio on Fetterman, and I enjoyed the links you provided, too. It's always interesting to read an account from each viewpoint.<br /><br />And I thoroughtly enjoyed "Peaches" in <b>Wishing for a Cowboy</b>!Jacquie Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361793932364487636noreply@blogger.com